why do i hate steely dan

Now there is much more at stake than “getting the story to work.” Suddenly the only thing that matters is that emotional attachment. If you don’t connect with them, that’s cool. Keep loving music 😛. Why do I love the mall when I hate consumerism? Thank for the article, Trig!!! Why Do People Hate Jews? Les Archer And when I think of the stuff I am most proud of and ask myself WHY it is I am proud of it, and I can’t really explain, I think that is what it comes to: I am in love with it, and more importantly other people have fallen in love with it too. Glad to hear that you seem to have found out that such a connection does matter to you, now. As a listener and musician it’s tremendously rewarding. There is no rage, anger or sadness in any of their songs. And finally, I leave all you non-believers with their performance on The Old Grey Whistle Test form 1973. All of a sudden, despite the continued coolness of bagging on Steely Dan and Supertramp as the denizens of uncool on the classic rock format, you began to understand why they were essential. Comedian Al Murray travels to some of England's nearest neighbours to explore some of their gripes with the English, with … 3. No really I think they are sh1t I just can’t cope with anyone thinking I am not capable of understanding the rich textures of those 11th and 13th chords and those sardonic yet deeply meaningful and metaphorical lyrics. September 6, 2017 @ Ya buys ya ticket…. anyway, intersting viewpoint of one of the great bands. || | The Robblog. They use the word “hate” a lot when they talk about her. I mean ‘clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right’ is such a classic line. If it’s well crafted, I feel it’s been crafted to piss me off. Why drench it in reverb and echo? Great driving music. You say you like “sophisticated and complicated (but not too complicated)”, whatever that means. They would bring in separate groups of session players so they could hear different interpretations of the music. ya takes ya chances. I could be wrong but I have seen your face before September 5, 2017 @ Listen to Baxter’s guitar on their first three records. Meh. I wasn’t “getting” them, that must be it, so I’d let the “experts” take me by the hand and lead me through the process and explain to me why Steely Dan was as great as everybody has always said they are. Like it does for every band, classic rock radio condensed what was otherwise a quite involved and diverse musical legacy down to a few select tracks that it summarily shoved down your throat for decades and decades until you loved to hate it, but for some sadistic reason couldn’t stop listening, possibly because it still was better than Top 40, or the country format after the Class of ’89, and Pandora and Spotify were still decades away. Also, to tell the truth Donald Fagen’s voice always grated with me. They have much of what I like: impeccable musicianship, sophisticated and complicated (but not too complicated) songs and structures, a more intellectual bent than standard 70s rock fare. Why do people hate BTS with such ferocity? know that Alabama is the Crimson Tide. The original series is one of the most universally praised TV shows of all time, … i dont like Steely Dan either, but my boyfriend loves them… I have tried to listen to them to understand n get into that space my boyfriend is in but it’s not going to happen… I do like the song Peg… but that’s as far as it goes for me…. Steely Dan, Frank Zappa and the Grateful Dead I will never get as long as I live. Help us reach 200K subscribers [https://goo.gl/qbsngH]BipolarBear's fresh music:Unknown Brain - Why Do I? Suggestive lyrics. Jethro Tull (particularly the progressive mid 70’s period) is one of my favorites. I did “get them,” but I still don’t like them. but no, even though the musicians were great and even though those SD guys have some great beats and fascinating musical arrangements and melodies and their albums are beautifully produced my own personal hell would be a locked room with the Steely Dan discography stuck on a loop. No room sound, dead air you can’t hear the ebb and flow of a ‘live’ vibe except maybe more so on their first album. 11:38 am. Science has a more complex -- and less offensive -- answer to why we hate every picture of ourselves. What do u respect about them? Perhaps, after you’ve grown up a little, you could revisit the Dan and experience them in a different light. Once upon a time I really liked Steely Dan. You’ll be missed, Walter. It doesn’t matter who it is–people you form close relationships and you offer social support to will hate on you. Steely Dan have announced that their 2020 Earth After Hours Tour with Steve Winwood has been rescheduled. And the reason why most people choose not to do this is because whatever it is they're doing isn't enjoyable to them. If you’re the kind of person who believes naively in the ‘American dream’ or similar, then this music is threatening in a subtle and insideous way. It’s like that painting, I think called “The Tempest” or “The Storm”, with the perfect looking boy and girl running from a storm. There are movies I love, but not because the characters are sympathetic or easy for me to identify with, or any of those things you find in screenwriting bibles. Can’t say I’ve ever heard the same song twice by them. Perhaps I should go back and give them another listen. Of course, before long, I was hooked, and had picked through their entire catalogue with a fine tooth (or is that ear) comb, my foot tapping the whole time. Scotty J 10:27 pm, Brett, I’m right out there with though as a Texan, I tend to lean to Outlaw Country. blue demon For me when I was in HS and for much of college (late 70’s), I wanted my rock-n-roll, straight-forward, guitar heavy and loud. They fucking suck!! Who knows. I think they’re a group that some people who know me as a rootsy/rock music enthusiast would be surprised to find how much I love them, but I think that’s because of how they’ve classified/written off as soulless jazz pop by so many. And they could turn up the wick and wail. BrushHawg. A damn fine band. Their recordings are awesome! Perfect time. Also I entirely agree with Robb that it is often hard to make an emotional connection to the music. The easy answer is “the characters” but that’s not really it. We get sick of hearing the same songs repetitively, especially when they keep repeating in our heads. Check out Don’t Take Me Alive, Bad Sneakers, Gaucho etc. Murder the man Another group I enjoyed more as I aged was Moody Blues for similar reasons. redoing tracks, and changing arrangements etc. Do as the locals do and get yourself a fancy towel or handkerchief. You will be what you are just the same So I find that by December 26th, I am … 4:23 pm. Tight might be the best description. I will admit it: I loathe Steely Dan. Another way to think about it is: Steely Dan is for music what ‘The Office’ and ‘curb’ are for comedy. Adult ADHD Symptoms Does it take you forever to make a doctor’s appointment, clean out your garage, or do your taxes? Of course I was happy to be said " I love … They’ll never be my favorite band. “Yes, you do,” she said, “you say they suck.” “Well, yeah, I mean I do hate them,” I replied, “but, you know, they’re great.”. Gerry Rafferty of Stealers Wheel is another cool 70s act. The best bands will have thier fare share of ‘haters’. It’s cool, atypical and often at odds with their flawlessly smooth music, making things doubly subversive. Hi, i also ended up here by googling for opinions about that SD band. Widespread acceptance isn’t what determines whether something has quality or not. Steely Dan is music for self-congratulating, self-proclaimed “progressive-types” who believe that being an intellectual is sonomous with being a Steely Dan fanboy. A lot of people hate that list, but I'll tell you what, there are some really good albums on that list … Get ’em right back with H&O, but you can’t help but notice it. Their excellence in songwriting and musicianship can’t be denied, and their first few were undoubtedly glorious albums. Intelligent music with soul. “I feel like I am different from others and not in a good way.” This was the most common statement when a group of researchers tested some subjects for their familiar … I’ve tried, I’ve, actually, made an effort to appreciate, I have all the albums and spent many hours listening, researching and pondering, but i truly hate them. It sounds awesome and most bands don’t even know it exists or how to make use of it, but whatever. I totally agree with you Robb. And you should feel no shame in saying it. August 21, 2018 @ I don’t care about this, and I’m a trained classical musician. Kingpete There is nothing wrong with not liking art of any kind by anyone. I can’t quite decide whether I’m just dyslexic about steely Dan or whether they really are just sh1t. Recently I’ve dabbled back into early Genesis actually. 😉. It's extremely common to hate the sound of your voice in recordings. I’m not going to put “I think” before every statement I make the rest of my life. Oh me oh my, what if I am dumb after all. I’ve been listening to Steely Dan since I was 12. Why Do I Waste So Much Time? Those crazy cluster chords and voicings, dense vocal harmonies, jazzy modality, and a general dismissal of pop convention. My parents had all their records and I own all their albums on cd or digital. So what? Why are they even being played on the classic rock station? Without their bloated, pretentious, pseudo-jazz noodling, who would have inspired punk? Somewhere in there my tastes, my reason for listening to music or seeing movies or looking at art, went from an intellectual interest to learn about stuff to a need to emotionally engage with something, to fall in love. Class act live from the horn section, full compliment of background singers, strings, etc. You nailed it Darryl. I find it very annoying, and his odd vocal mannerisms make me want to throw stuff against the wall. 6:00 am. Wondering Why Do People Hate Mondays so much. 5:05 am, Jack Williams This is the music you hear in frat houses when the brothers are trying to put on a sophisticated air–a modern day equivalent of putting on Hefner-style dressing gowns and smoking pipes. Also, they have a million session musicians, I mean it’s overkill. Sharp. And underneath it all? Besides loving country I love 90s alt rock, surf, punk, 50s and early 60s rock, and Latin stuff like bachata and salsa. They belong in the same column as Todd Rundgren that way. Until it wasn’t. 4:55 pm. Are you kidding me…average people don’t have Wayne Shorter playing on their albums,average people don’t use chord progressions associated with jazz. It’s just that when a piece of art is created from the heart and/or mind how could some truly have license to deem that it sucks? The only worse answer is, “I like everything…except Country”. Do white and non-white Evangelicals see the world the same way? I’ll take a guess at why a lot of people don’t like Steely Dan. I think these are 2 of the main reasons they don’t get the respect they deserve. Like Steely Dan. Enough said. You hear songs like Do it Again or Stealers Wheels’ Stuck in the Middle and wander what in sam hell their talking about?! And just to get this on the record, yes, Walter Becker and Donald Fagen were the frontmen of Steely Dan, but the musicians they had with them came from a wide swath of the L.A. session mafia of the 1970s, including Michael McDonald (of the Doobie Brothers), drummer Rick Marotta, and keyboardist Don Grolnick (the latter two of whom worked with Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt), to name just three. That being said, I loathe them for their snarky, unabashed hatred of middle America, and the South specifically. Random Notes It’s like a bunch of Tom’s-wearing, leftist-blog-writing, Antifa wannabe dweebs got together and picked the most boring band out of the 70’s, decided they’d worship them because it was the hipster thing to do…that was a long sentence. I was reading about them in the Los Angeles Times in 1994, and the article quoted “Only A Fool Would Say That.” I hadn’t heard the song, but the lyric was “everybody on the street has murder in their eyes.” Spoke to me. When I was younger and more naive, I bought their album with Reeling in the Years, and touted them as great only because others said they were such talented professionals. Woe to the one who does you wrong Just my theory but I think it is common with someone like Steely Dan. Hey that’s how I got here too. They were the cynics, sure, but they also paid real tribute to the Queen of Soul. 7:23 am. But you didn’t like it. Yes, they are able to proficiently play their instruments and keep time. It’s a completely different medium, and hardly the same character. Some of the absolute best players on their albums. 2:08 pm, Luckyoldsun The other main reason is the same as with alot of other bands, you’re probably judging them on a few of their songs (radio stuff like deacon blues, rikki,do it again and reeling) and have no clue that these are not their best songs and never will until u give them a REAL chance. You’re right, they suck. Poor things, someday you will hate yourself, i predict. Best part is though, its just dang good music. They set benchmarks and high standards. And yes, that’s probably classic rock radio’s fault. Steely Dan is music for self-congratulating, self-proclaimed “progressive-types” who believe that being an intellectual is sonomous with being a Steely Dan fanboy. What are you, like 15? Putting off something that needs to be … That’s the whole point. And, until recently, that has never been a requirement for me. They are complete perfectionists in the studio. Did you pay the other man with the piece in your hand I wanted to finally find the last piece of the puzzle, find that missing “something” that I had been overlooking all those years. Mikjel – I read all the comments. My sneaking suspicion is that most people never expand their horizons enough to find the things that they would appreciate the most, but that’s just a guess and I’m not about to start telling people they need to listen to what I like instead of that shit they like just on the chance that it’s actually possible for someone to have “better” taste than someone else and that I am the only one who really knows the true quality of anything. Get over your nostalgic youths and admit that they suck. I like progressive and I like complicated. Which is all why, with all due respect, I don’t/can’t understand your position. The “situation” is that I love music and really get into cult bands that fall outside of the norm. I never understand why someone goes to the length of saying an artist sucks, blows, stinks, and so forth. A little too slick and sterile for me. Whoever it was who mentioned “just slick production and overuse of one cheesy chord”, thanks for the laugh. I’m not defending anyone in particular. There was no “missing piece.” Nothing I had overlooked. They aren’t on the radio much. Scotty J And to LOVE them. I’m too young to have found them in their prime, but I picked up “The Royal Scam” used for $1.99 when I was in high school and didn’t even know anything about them beyond it was a cool cover. September 6, 2017 @ I have all their albums and have much admired the Dan from the start. BuzzFeed As Is Something for everyone interested in hair, makeup, … Diarrhea and vomiting this morn…. My response to Random Question #3 notwithstanding, it appears that I may have changed. Whatever. I had a brief affair with a woman fifteen years older than me. I didn’t understand the dan for a while. The atmosphere is in the harmony. Great guitar. My guess is zero, sucka. I would totally hang out with cool people like that. Don’t expect any audience interaction. Anyway, good for you. Steely Dan haters? Maybe it even angered you when they played the shorter radio edit version of “Do It Again” that eliminated the keyboard solo. Brett Also, you implied that they just hand out sheet music to session guys and call it good. They have not and never will go viral. I know exactly what u mean about not getting any emotional rewards from listening to them, but what bands do you listen to that get u satisfied. It’s too nasal and smart-alec in tone for my taste. I liked all kinds of bands before my friends did and many of them thought I was crazy and most of them even eventually came around to agree with me. The result of all this set to tighter-than-a-cat’s-arse funk/r’n’b/jazz/Latin/pop/disco rhythms, executed by the finest session cats the 70s had to offer? and they always work. “Steely Dan? I have always disliked the music of Steely Dan immensely. I think perhaps you’re confusing them with Three Dog Night. After this, it’s time for Pink Floyd and Rush! Limiting yourself to one genre is kind of depressing really. For me personally I’ve found it more and more difficult to get into any new music as I’ve gotten older. Bill What do you know about music…you probably listen to the mess that is polluting our airwaves today..crap like Kanye West,Katy Perry and Nikki Minaj. Corncaster They still suck. And I do mean light, as in illumination. People perceive their own voice to be the combination of those two sources … Brilliant! Are they trippin on drugs or is it something more? I respect them, I completely understand that the quality of their stuff is first-rate, but… well…. You owed him money but you gave him something more Maybe you had a sense that behind the scenes, among the population of musicians themselves, there was a much higher regard for Steely Dan because of the way they were able to slither complexity into pop and rock music in a way that allowed the population to be receptive to it. Everything every one of us says is something that we think. Ugh!!! With Steely Dan, I similarly found myself enjoying them more as I got older. It can be as simple or complex as we want it. I always thought ‘Stuck In The Middle With You’ would make a great country song. “alternative” music just beginning around that time and it was called Punk and New Wave and Steely Dan was considered neither, but they were considered boring and slick hippie fusion whatever by people like me. I have lots of reasons for loving Steely Dan and believing that they don’t suck, but who cares? I hated them for years. If you looked at my music collection, you’d expect to see them. Change ), Josh Rouse: 1972 (2003), Nashville (2005), The Happiness Waltz (2013) “..music you hear in frat houses when the brothers are trying to put on a sophisticated air.” That sums it up brilliantly. The people who respond to the question, “What kind of music do you like?” with “I like everything” make my skin crawl. Look, Steely Dan is not for everyone. Nobody noticed it was sleazy narrative about an older guy (who should know better) doing his damnedest to seduce loose young girls at a bar, tempting them with coke and tequila. And leave him lying in the rain? I also get a boner for the complicated syncopated rhythms of Indian Classical and flamenco. It reaffirms my belief – despite our frequent and inevitable transgressions- in the goodness of our society. ??? Or some other such depravity? Poolside, naturally, piña colada in hand. One of the best shows I’ve seen. “Steely Dan is the inevitable end product of people who’ve never experienced real hardship mimicking the forms and styles of people who have. Explain that. Actual music. But why do so many Avatar fans hate The Legend of Korra? McDonald performs the Doobie Brothers' … It is biting social satire heavy with bitter irony very carefully disguised as exactly the kind of manufactured easy listening pop that was (at the time) the ‘product’ of the culture they were satirizing. Her two favorite bands? SD were definitely an “uncool” band with “uncool” songs that takes time and experience to fully appreciate, even if you never gravitate to full fandom. By SGT - December 20, 2020 0 13 Facebook Twitter Google+ Pinterest WhatsApp Linkedin Email by Selwyn Duke, The New American: Putting “Why do people hate … There is one, and only one, reason to appreciate Steely Dan. Acca Dacca But they’ve been one of my all-time favorite bands for about a decade now. Fagen never quite sounds genuine. They were like The Band. Now, even that grates. This does not hold true everywhere (in tourist-heavy spots soap is usually provided), but when you go to wash your hands … Yep, this was me also. Last night I finished – after three attempts – watching a Tivo’d episode of “Classic Albums” on their landmark “Aja” record from 1977. ‘Black Cow’ shows they could get funky when they wanted, too. In some ways, they helped legitimize it. I’m also a multi-intrumentalist who loves to hear a musician do something new and interesting that I haven’t thought of. Scotty J People fagen or Becker knew? Their songs smirk. I mean, they’re good but I don’t like them. (No Static At All)”. I liked the sound of Steely Dan way before I knew the back-story to their situation or owned their records OR even completely linked all the pieces to the same band. And die behind the wheel. But WHY I might like Steely Dan or Frank Zappa, or stock car racing, has probably just as much to do with my experiences and place in my life when it occurred than anything else. The horns at the end of “The Caves of Altamira” always get me. 5:00 pm, Cool you mentioned him cause Waylon covered Bakerstreet on Hangin Tough. Steely Dan’s Donald Fagen and Walter Becker were known for their perfectionism. Alot of folks don’t seem to like Aja. To be honest, you don’t really have the right to dislike a band unless you know them. We have a very popular cover band in town that specializes in “yacht rock” – mostly 70s and 80s pop rock like Hall & Oats, Kenny Loggins, Billy Joel, etc. I may interject, that the reason you “hate” the Dan is that you love repetition, as evident in your blog. There is so much great new music there to explore for the first time. It’s audio nausea to me On paper, they are great, but the sum of the parts sounds like smooth-jazz. Not all music has to be created by a full and consistent band lineup. The Waterboys: This Is The Sea (1985) It’s trojan horse music. The death of Steely Dan’s guitarist and founding member Walter Becker has classic rock fans reminiscing on the band’s legacy, and others reconsidering it. Ok, so you managed to write a piece about one of my favorites and you even mentioned one of my other favorites (Supertramp). September 5, 2017 @ “Soul nourishing stuff” is a good way to describe them. 1 … They haven’t been anywhere close to mainstream in decades. September 5, 2017 @ September 5, 2017 @ Beats me. September 5, 2017 @ To conclude, steely dan are fantastic songwriters who’ve produced a lot of gorgeous music. But years later I find I just don’t feel anything now when I’m listening. And they’ve done it their way, that inimitable steely dan way, the way that turned them into cult antiheroes and the pop connoisseurs choice of listening for the last 40 years or so. The real reason that Gen-Xers hate Millennials is simple and terrifying. September 6, 2017 @ Disco almost. There is plenty for me to respect and admire in Steely Dan, plenty for me to like, but, try as I have all these years, I never find anything there to love. 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